Can O Worms

[maxwell]

Originally Posted by mtnbikej

Did they not just allow a running event to take place up and over the peak in the last few weeks? I thought I read something about it in the OCRegister sports page.

Yep they did, and it was done on all open areas.

[CPATCRASH]

Originally Posted by dstepper

I think the closed section of the Forest should be open only to members of the Warriors Society. That is what is going to happen anyway as they patrol the area to keep the rest of us out.

Dean

Why just them? Do they do less damage than others? There are people that live in Silverado and other areas that know far more that some Warriors Society members and they aren't riding back there.

[allison]

Originally Posted by mtnbikej

Did they not just allow a running event to take place up and over the peak in the last few weeks? I thought I read something about it in the OCRegister sports page.

I just read the article posted in another thread. They had to re-route it, actually.

[ericfoltz]

I vote:

CC - Start at usual finish, up Holy Jim, left at top to Upper Holy Jim, down UHJ, MD to Trabuco, down Trabuco, up W. Horsethief, left on MD back to down HJ.

VQ riders - when reach top of Trabuco, go left down to Blue Jay, do upper loop of SJT, then back up to Trabuco, down Trabuco, up W. Horsethief, left on MD then back down HJ.

All open area. Lots of ST.

[Cowgirl]

Wow...I am shocked to see all the comments about the WS...riders were pleading to allow them to have an unlimited amount of participants at the event not thinking about damaging the trails at that time.

Step back and look at the fact that the Forestry Service will be patroling at the event and making sure we are on the fireroads and designated trails where we all belong and they will be checking to make sure only authorized participants and support personel will be on the course. Allowing the forest to reopen at this point will increase the chance that irresponsible mtn bikers, hikers, horsey people and off road vehicle enthusiasts will be out poaching and cutting new singletracks and that is what the foresty service is concerned about. The only parts of the course impacted by the fire is the Silverado Motorway due to the fact that a dozer was run down it to make a fire break. If the WS under direction of the Forestry Service does not repair the Motorway to a state that it is sustainable, installing water bars and grade stabilizers, that section of the event will be re-routed across the main divide on the fire road. Today the WS met with the Forestry Service and is being asked to help with the rehabilitation of the entire Cleveland National Forest. The WS and the Forestry Service have been partners with caring for this area for years and the WS will do what is right!!! That is why the Foresty Service trusts them to run their event.

If there are any of you out there that have signed up for the event, that disagree with the Forestry Service and the Warrior's Society decision to run the event then you can contact the WS and recieve a full refund.

FYI...the Warrior's Society is not allowed access to the area except during the event. The WS is under the same restrictions as everyone else. The only time you will see a WS member out there will be during Forest Sevice repair work scheduled at the Motorway.

[g.c.]

Sherry, the WS, like any other organization using the forest for an event should reroute to another area outside of the burn.

[dstepper]

I did not just make up my comment, I took the idea from the Warriors Website...Voices section. Here is the part I am revering to.


In the mean time, the Warrior’s Society will propose to the Forest Service that volunteers from the Santa Ana Natural History Association (SANHA), the Sierra Club, CORVA or any other off-road organization and our own organization be permitted by the Forest Service to patrol the areas affected by the closure and lead group rides/hikes/road tours. These “guided” access rides would focus on the rehabilitation efforts, the need for volunteers and the impact illegal off-trail access has on the environment’s ability to recover from fire.

[Cowgirl]

I just confirmed with the Forestry Service that the route run for the VQ is not going thru any areas that were burned...when riding up Maple Springs and across the Main Divide you will not be riding near anything on either side of the road that was burned...the only area that was damaged on the course was from a bull dozer on the the bottom of the Motorway...once again we will not be riding thru a fire area.

[PacMan]

I signed up for the CC. Not being at all familiar with the area, will I be able to pre-ride the entire course, or are parts of it closed with the exception of race day?

[guero]

Originally Posted by PacMan

will I be able to pre-ride the entire course, or are parts of it closed with the exception of race day?

i think this is the big question. i have yet to ride the most hellacious part of the ride (for the CC), beeks to motorway (which is currently closed). ive ridden all of the other portions many times. i wish i have ridden the beeks to motorway section in the past, so i'd have some idea of what to expect.

[Wrecker]

Anyone that does not see the concern with having a bunch of riders going down Motorway prior to any work being done to it, has not done any work, nor is familiar with the Motorway trail. PRIOR to being "dozed", this trail had annual maintenence, as the trail is on a slipping ground to start with. If you dig into the hill, the hillside slides, not just the point of the tool. Rain and erosion also have an effect this trail every year, and every year it is a challenge to maintain.

Now it's been altered by a bulldozer. The bulldozer, not as familiar with erosion and trail building as the Warrior's Society, has the potential for having created a terribly unstable trail, especially once any rain is added.

If you add a few hundred mtn bikers/motorcyclists, chances are that you'll have one or two added a few unthought new lines (not due to any reputable reasons, but due to the mere factor of idiocy in ANY society), bringing about more risk the the actual trail and hillside.

So, why close it?

-To fix it, and the Warrior's, as well as other groups I'm sure, will be the ones counted on to fix it because we all know the Forest Service is unable to commit to such projects on their own.
-To maintain it and monitor those using it more closely (only the permit holders will be there on designated days with close supervision)
-To assure responsibility and accountability for any extensive trail damage (they'll know who to blame if something is trashed)
-blah blah blah

Why open it for the Warrior's?

-This is the group that will be responsible for trail work out there
-They have a reputation with the Forest Service as being respectful to the land, cooperating with their authority in forestry needs, and holding events that raises the awareness of the trails, community, and respect for land
-They will need to assure that the trails are ready prior to the event

But, I may be totally off my rocker. In fact, I don't even have a rocker, so what does that make me? Anyway, agree or not, that's how I see it. If you don't agree, you don't have to support it and probably should not. It is all how you see it, what you can sleep with at night, and how you want to go about your life. No one else can dictate that for you.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have many other things to stress upon and should probably go back to sitting in my corner before you all rip me apart <putting on my dunce cap>

[CPATCRASH]

Originally Posted by PacMan

I signed up for the CC. Not being at all familiar with the area, will I be able to pre-ride the entire course, or are parts of it closed with the exception of race day?

Nope. It will be closed unless they can get special access days for training. IE, if you paid you get to play.

[ThinkFast]

If the closure is for safety reasons as I have heard (rock slides and landslides) then I don't see what the problem with running it is. The trails being used aren't effected.

[kentonn]

Originally Posted by guero

i think this is the big question. i have yet to ride the most hellacious part of the ride (for the CC), beeks to motorway (which is currently closed). ive ridden all of the other portions many times. i wish i have ridden the beeks to motorway section in the past, so i'd have some idea of what to expect.

Oh, no problem... Expect to go up and then down, oh and up again and down (repeat many times).

Here you go: Around mile ten to sixteen. Many of the downhill sections are covered in loose rock. Well they were when I rode it sometime back.

[CPATCRASH]

Originally Posted by kentonn

Oh, no problem... Expect to go up and then down, oh and up again and down (repeat many times).

Here you go: Around mile ten to sixteen. Many of the downhill sections are covered in loose rock. Well they were when I rode it sometime back.

Pretty much sums it up!

[Pain Freak]

Wait a minute....

If the route that is to be rode has not burned then what's the problem with letting people on it? Safety, no. Then what's the reason? Cutting a new trail? This could be done at anytime. This whole scenario seems very fishy to me. There is really no reason to close an area that hasn't been directly burned. I believe this is a very poor decision on the forestry service. Was this a decision by committee or by a singular person?

[CalEpic]

Originally Posted by guero

i think this is the big question. i have yet to ride the most hellacious part of the ride (for the CC), beeks to motorway (which is currently closed). ive ridden all of the other portions many times. i wish i have ridden the beeks to motorway section in the past, so i'd have some idea of what to expect.

You won't have a problem with it since it's in the early part of the race. Just go at an easy pace.

C